My how have things changed in the last year.
Should reference my look at 2016 URs for context: 2016 Ultrarares
I went from dipping into URs to being at least a Token Tycoon 1%er, maybe still outside of the .1%er club.
While I still don’t have most BiS tokens, I have some and I think much more towards what we don’t have to make a BiS build. And, my interests in what I play are very, very different. So, let me just comment on tokens to give insight into how play has changed for me, and maybe I’ll influence some last minute PYP selections.
At Gen Con, at what people complained was the hardest dungeon, I lent this out to someone who otherwise was playing with rares and more common tokens. It made a massive difference for him and the party overall. UR weapons do not suck.
However, they aren’t worth much unless they do something unusual or can be upgraded to relic/legendary tokens. I’d sell ours for $75. I think there’s someone in the world willing to pay that. But, you can go to eBay right now and get one for less than that.
Compare to $90 as what PYPs were going for for 2017 URs and maybe around $100 that PYPs might go for this year. Assuming you have perspective, I don’t see why you would ever want/hope to get one of these even as a random (well, a random from a pack is still getting an UR from an $8 pack).
This is pretty similar situation to Shillelagh. It’s better by a lot than not having an UR level token, but it’s outclassed by other UR level tokens. Lot of people like Widseth’s for doing attacks. I prefer Briano’s for casting spells.
There have been attempts to make scrolls better, but it’s still using a consumable. My great epiphany with bards, besides that “entertaining” the rest of the party seems annoying unless they are all your friends and find it not annoying, is that they have way too much to do. I’d prefer to lead off with lore check, which is a different instrument, then cast spells, which is a different instrument, then not be carrying around five instruments because I’m now into minimizing what I have to hold on me in dungeons.
Now, whereas there are plenty of UR weapons or even rare weapons (Bliss gets +3 damage at the moment) or whatever you could run over Shillelagh available at all times, UR instruments are not as readily available, so this is something that’s tolerable to make some effort to get and, given that someday scrolls may get amazing [sic], why not own one?
Still, should be getting this cheap, like more in that $75 range, if possible, just don’t know if the supply is that high since the crazy, inefficient markets for tokens still have a supply/demand component.
Thread started by someone who hated that this was neck slot when this was revealed. Neck slot is the heart from which all builds radiate because of how exalted the options are. Others countered that paladin making sacrifices for the good of team players is thematically appropriate.
My view is that you own one of these if you ever play paladin because it’s cool and does something no other token can do. But, you may not run it.
I find paladin is one of the most in demand classes, finding this because I think paladin is the class I most want to play at the moment. I would have run this a lot because I did a lot of PUG (pick up group) runs at normal/hardcore and sucking up damage going to others to keep them alive when I have plenty of ways to keep myself alive even without running armor in my armor slot would have been enjoyable. However, if you don’t need to keep others alive or see next sentence, I can see doing something else.
An observation I have had leading to my achieving a perspective is that hardly anybody targets paladins and who they guard as a DM metagame play. I find that annoying because rather than using your ability what you are really doing is redirecting damage to other party members, concentrating damage rather than spreading it or absorbing it. Great, you have a 40+ AC and nobody attacks you. You have Belt of Thorns and nobody attacks you. Boring.
My metagame counter would be to make a glass cannon paladin that relied on not being attacked to Deathcleave through enemies. I tried to get one cheap. I think I succeeded.
Cool. Dwarf fighter token. Sure, you could do an all retribution run, but, in regular play, I don’t expect this to hit more than like once. I guess if you are playing at a level where party members die pretty easy so the enemy has to target you to inflict damage it gets better. Can get this real cheap on eBay at moment. I got mine at okay price.
I made efforts to get Charming sets. I thought people would realize how good they are. I still think most folks don’t realize how good they are. I used them all of the time.
See, I don’t care about AC, so armor sets that eat up the head slot are mostly irrelevant to me. Meanwhile, don’t run this and my builds have sketchy Will saves and aren’t psychic (which does save me the effort of having to remember I’m psychic and what abilities I have access to).
This is the best of the Charming Trio yet something I’ve got away from with a lot of builds because of a 2018 UR that is cooler.
The most common Charming Trio token I run? Feels like it. I haven’t felt a need to run Earcuff of Orbits yet and I ignore all of the earcuffs based on bardsong being in effect, so it’s this and Icecrag for me in pritnear any build in which I fill up slots (something increasingly less common as I am on a mini-build kick because of how much normal/hardcore we’ve been playing to where my usual is 10 total tokens).
At first, I didn’t care much about this, but that was because I was still Focus-ed on wizard builds that don’t have spare ring slots. So many of my other builds can run this as I give up some extra damage, or I don’t give up a ring slot as I would have run Ring of Heroism in this slot, anyway.
The in thing with all of the .1%ers is full boat of Charms of Awakened Synergy. I have one of these. I think about getting more all of the time.
I was hoping to get them cheap since so many people already had 10/plenty. We just don’t find it that interesting to put money into. Certainly willing to borrow when the group all wants extra HP.
I would I suppose transmute some into CoAS if I had more, but it’s such a .1%er thing to do. Given that the lower levels of play that desperately need HP (pack players) need HP far more and won’t have access to the plethora of Constitution buffs, that this is yet another token they won’t likely have just seems kind of suboptimal to me. That level does have access to Linked Shirt of Healing, but I hardly ever see an effort to get everyone Linked up, anymore.
I value this at no more than $90 but see how prices rise as they will soon be OOP again.
I consider this irrelevant. It’s not useless. But, all of my druid/wizard builds would be running Charming Crown, instead, so I don’t get why these were printed at the same time besides maybe that people didn’t realize how good Charming Crown was going to be and realize that the following year would be an even more ridiculous Crown.
I figured these wouldn’t have a lot of value, and I was proved correct. I might pick one up at $30 or something if I felt like a “fun” UR.
Another token I expected not to hold value. It’s a nice to have if you don’t have other FoPs in your builds, but it’s like a rare level effect in actual play (to me) for UR cost.
In my case, it tends to be especially poor because I do a lot of really high Dex builds with astronomical Reflex saves and failing a Reflex save when you are plus 25 or more is actually kind of amusing.
Expected this to go for no more than $75 and expect that this is something might get below $40 if you hit the right eBay auction. While other save unfailers/rerollers do seem to hold value, it could be because it’s Reflex or because it’s still in print that it’s just so uninteresting to me.
Sure, I would run it in a bunch of builds if I were filling out slots, but that’s just because FoP is an area I’ve put hardly any effort into.
Least interesting to me of the Trio, but I’d run it all of the time because I didn’t have Ioun Stone slots locked up and needed to get at least three of the Trio [ha] in place. So many used to run Will’s Dragonheart, and it has just been so outclassed. Part of the overall evidence of how TD power jumped in recent years rather than creeped.
You have to have it. You load up on them to where at one point True Adventures posted an announcement about delayed availability. More of the crazy that is variance in treasure draws for players.
I think I saw a couple go for about $90, but pretty much the thing you pick up extras of for the inevitable price increase or almost immediate ability to sell at $100, barring the TD economy collapsing or, at least, the desirability of treasure pulls taking even more of a hit.
A sign of how my TD experience has changed is that I didn’t bother commenting on the luscious Amulet of the Champion last year (I still will run AotC, but I understand how its value has declined). I could have gotten this for under $150. I didn’t bother.
With Ioun Stone Gold Nugget and Ioun Stone Platinum Nugget coming, my interest in Ioun Stones has declined. I’m loaded with Con and Dex increasers in the five slots, already, as I’m still a big “raise stats” champion.
I expect this to decline, but it’s strictly better than stones I do often run. The rare version was unfortunately really uninspiring for volunteers due to there being close substitutes or better things to do at UR.
Game changer. Sure, we will get the Eldritch Kilt transmute next year and it will likely be absurdly overpowered, but this is how you get obscene hit points.
I thought I had more of these, but I guess our group only got so many. I think these will rise quite a bit and I expect lots of last minute PYPs will go into these (figure most token tycoons would have already used PYPs on Silver Nuggets by this point).
$100 seems a good price right this moment with someone offering $105 on the forums. As much as this is a massive power jump, I will do builds without it. Again, I’m enamored by massive Dex builds that don’t need 70+ hit points at even the hardcore level, so I’ll run Fatherbane [gasp] or free movement pants.
Is this the most underrated UR in the set?
I didn’t expect these to go for a lot because the meleers would go with Instant Analysis, wizardy types would probably prefer a rare over this (I usually run a rare over this in wizard builds), etc. Still, I love this token and run it all of the time.
I’ll do Deathcleaving builds, but I still like having the option to hit things with a +1 Mighty Sling.
Would expect it to be middling in value up until the point some ludicrous new eye slot token gets made and devalues a bunch of stuff. I think it’s worth $90 to have one but would see [sic] about trying to get a couple for less … if I was looking [sic].
See [stop, just stop] this being necessary. For some reason, players who have $10k plus builds care about getting random rares. Hell, if I played rogue, which is extremely unlikely as it’s the class I have the least interest in playing, I would want my free loot as well due to the principle rather than the value.
We have been loaning out ours in PUGs because it just makes dollars, even though it does remove some of the entertainment value of the rogue screwing the party or nobly sacrificing a couple dollars worth of token.
I saw this as a legendary recipe component when it came out that gave wizards something different to do if they really wanted to be different. Neck slot too precious to waste on wanding.
But, TD made this relevant as a play, and I applaud that as higher end builds really would be more fun if they were more diverse.
I was hoping to pick up cheap back when I didn’t expect hardly any use. I never did. Still don’t own one. Would be interested even though the legendary recipe doesn’t really interest me. Keep options open. Unfortunately, I’m not willing to put much $$ into getting one.
Both underrated and an example of how weird the TD economy can get. A bunch of these went cheap (under $90, in some cases significantly under $90 based on my feeble recollection).
Sure, transmuting a bunch is not cost effective (in theory, in practice people do this stuff all of the time). I never understood why this wasn’t highly valued. I would so much rather have +5 Dex than have +8 AC. Dex actually does something. Then, Starhide is core to a ton of my builds.
We could use another Starhide, but we don’t need one, so I’m not willing to put much money into another (I’d do $250 for Starhide, for instance, yeah ludicrous difference between TD and niche CCG card prices). I would take another of these and probably waste the resources transmuting.
I’m routinely the second high bidder on these, especially Onyx versions, where I don’t know if I’d keep or transmute. Kind of expect some short term action on these as people try to get the Starhides made before the deadline. When not transmutable anymore, I’m curious as to what they go for as +5 Dex is still a massive power bump for someone without a bunch of URs.
I have yet to embrace consumables in TD. Sure, I’ll look at picking up rezzes to save folks who are playing above their builds and I’ll dole out Potions of Distilled Healing like candy so that players don’t need rezzing. But, I still pretty much never use scrolls and I don’t quaff any potions besides healing.
So, this is just meaningless to me. Which means, a year from now, I’ll be talking about all of the amazing Runestone builds I’m doing. I wouldn’t even bother at $30 because it doesn’t fit my interests. I have yet to run a single Runestone in any build and am happy to sell off my various rare Runestones.
It’s hard to say how I feel about this. I think it’s generally underrated. I will run this over Cloak of Shadowskin (yes, I got some, had at least 3 at one point) at times. I hardly ever remember damage reduction (run Kvothe’s as well at times). But, I just don’t feel that strongly about pushing its value.
I don’t need more. Probably have/had too many. Feels like it should be middling in value in the future with no surprise that an eBay auction may have seen it go in the $70s (I don’t know, didn’t focus that much on what they did go for).
I ran this in some non-polymorph builds because I didn’t care about other shirts, builds I’m not sure I ever played. I feel like this really got screwed not because it’s focused – focused isn’t terrible for a game where tokens often overpower each other. It’s just not Focus-ed.
To have Shirt of Focus come in the very next year just shredded any labyrinth cred this had. I think it’s cool and there’s a reason to have no more than two.
I can see why it would go cheap. I can see both why someone might spend $70 and why someone might pass on an auction at $50.
Lobbying exists for it to allow other things while polymorphed. I’d like to try polymorphing some time for the variety, more so the elf wizard version as I don’t expect druid to be available, and I’m fine with not being all polymorphpowerful, but there are others who crave all of the polymorphpower.
I could revisit my 2016 Ultrarares comments, but, eh, don’t feel that strongly about it. I changed. TD changed.
I had a Sill’s Anointed Redoubt Mail briefly which we enjoyed playing with, by we, I mean not me but Dave.
My focus [OMG, can you please stop] nowadays is on PYPs that I expect to hold value as a good amount aren’t that valued by token tycoons and can be had in the $60s-$80s on eBay. Plus, as much as I’ve spent on tokens, I don’t see catching them all, so it’s better to just focus [*shakes head*] on what I’ll enjoy playing with, rather than speculating on Synergy, Awareness, or whatnot.